Any activity that does not require our ego’s direct involvement and distracts it from our inner psychic presence will cause us to end up in the intersubjective state that exists between us and ourselves, and others between them, which is also the psychic space between all of us. An interaction with the psyche that occurs in what is also called active imagination. As the inner underlying force of whatever it may be that we engage ourselves with, sooner or later we have to end up in the original psychic content that affects us in relation to each other and our external reality, regardless of the temporary activity we indulge in. We are going to get absorbed by it and interact with it as our psychic environment. Everything we do is part of its embodied processes we constantly have to repeat and go through in order to discover what it is that prevents us from perceiving the powers that is behind what is happening in the psychic space which we exist in, and as I had it explained to me today, was the psychic difficulties involved in climbing the imaginary Sufi mountain Qaf, an analogy to my own experiences that the Sufis must go through to find the source of life, or the experience based knowledge that lies behind the interpersonal psychic life we gain access to by what in this lecture was termed active imagination, where we can directly observe the behind of our reality of life as the within of the without. Which in sami is the sacred interaction of timelesness or Saivo that is going on in and all around us all the time, independent of one’s own personal lifetime, and from which we all descend. I was immedietely distracted here by the fact that while the subject of the talk was that space, it was not apparent to the other attendants that our present activity was, like most interactions are in part our lives and daily routines, active imagination. This was what we were doing. We all do it almost all the time behind almost all of our activities. My impression was that they simply hadn’t discovered it yet and therefore couldn’t pay attention to it. Anyway, I was never sure if the underlying purpose was for us to be led to that insight, to get to that understanding, or if we were just to act as passive listeners. It was something that never really became clear to me. Although this speech, as all are if they are not completely superficial, in itself always require that interaction of us if we are to get to the interiority of what is communicated to us. I kind of sensed that that was the original intention of the use of the term Active imagination. Something that has traditionally been called secret knowledge. An experiental understanding and aquiring of knowledge that grows out of intense life experiences rather than from formal education alone.