Being in the direct vicinity of, and in a present and observant manner consciously perceiving the interaction that occurs between our chaordic center and nature in its connection with our inner self in an embodied sense; when they are allowed to come into union in a conscious expression through our inner family, we have a direct conversation with nature in its still unrefined and raw flow of psychic energy, which information we then realize in abstract terms and concepts, and transform into practical realities. What we are actually doing is branching off vital self-organizing parts of it for practical purposes. Whatever it is we are trying to understand or do with the information bound in it, we are trying to domesticate it to incorporate in a practical and purposeful way the information we glean from the psychic energy as we interact with it in our lives. The traditional approach for a person to do this, before we gathered this approach in its current scientific or academic way, was to seek knowledge and visions alone but under supervision. To submit to a calling. Be it the process of psychic maturation, a personal relationship with the psychic world, or difficulties and concerns for the inner context of a collective community. It was also done by spending long meditative periods in solitude and in a profound psychic contact with nature. Which also concentrated the mind more on the origin of the information than on the information itself as we do when we study today. The purposes of them have become sharply separated from each other. Yet another way was to go through a sweat lodge ceremony together with knowledgeable elders to get information and seek answers from there. The psychic energy that was concentrated during the ceremonies created the conditions the participants needed to absorb the information that arose there. Often in the form of psychic figures who then named the sweat lodge the stone people lodge. One aspect of the relationship to our inner chaordic center in its union with nature’s embodiment of it was to express the personal inherent relationship to it culturally through an inner symbolic father figure or to identify the underlying inspiration, the spiritual psychic experience we make of it as an ancestor with the very qualities that the person or the collective society was in need of. The difference to an academic or our contemporary scientific approach is that the aim was to come to terms with something that created a collective dissonance. Not feeding our inner critic with our narcissistic compulsive needs to covertly express that we still conflate our inner family with the inner unresolved biographical material we carry within us from our biological family and in an outer collective context. The difference between the old traditional way and the modern way lies in the approach, how and why, not where we get our knowledge from.